Rant

[FierceG]

So we were just playing wester v7 on zombie escape. So lets me hear out on this and don't instantly come with Fierce u are a crybaby.

There are too many admins on the server right now that have terrible lack knowledge and no idea what the fuck is even going on. They think they are funny or just punish people for no reason to make an attempt to look like the good guy?

So I explain that current wester v7 is just not working out. I add picture: https://ibb.co/h20s7Fb
Like in Wester v7 at the end u get launched and u have less than a second to get a position and have decent view. The layout is just made that u have to focus u where u stand on the ground, how you are going to move forward and where your teammates are positioned for view and damage, meanwhile using items to survive till chaos eventually dies to go to ending platform. This is not as much of an issue in wester v8 where ppl have enough time running to end to decide where to sit. This is why anti-stack and transparency plugin don't affect it as hard hereon v7. Where the ending is clearly unbalanced and really boring. This map is not made for a boss that dies in 2 lasers and me and other westerfags asked for an increase in hp many times yet get clearly ignored because Neon doesn't like the map and wants v8 instead. People troll on lasers to add another layer of difficulty, because its currently too fucking boring. You can easily add an increase in hp or as pirates an extra stage 5 with "GUARDIAN GOD MODE" where he shoots 10 red lasers instead of 4.

Anyway further on we play we are about to win the map. One guy does a perfectly fine earth, honestly hero of the round from my point of view and this guy gets 1 month eban? No admin says anything? Hello you are a team one guy can make a mistake but how hard is it to correct. Why are you admin even if you don't know maps?

Then we go to another god mode. Legit entire team is at first hold. One zombie is like 2 metre away we shoot him. All fine. Then wind pushes zombie into us to trim and we lose 15 people. Like I am all ok if u don't eban this, but in what world u eban someone that wins us the round for a month and then 10 min later someone kills people where there is no way to counter this play and u let this pass?

As I mentioned earlier the map is now too easy so zombies barely have a chance, but we still were able to get the last speed item for zombie that's pretty broken and can make the last part really interesting in the hands of a good player. What happens? I wait for the cts to kill the guardian in boss room, they start running out and when I am about to pick it up I get slapped so I fall down and can't get it? wtf?

TL;DR:
- If you add plugins that make a map way easier how hard is it to change some numbers. Post this in topic, mention this change and let it open for a month to see how the nerf/buff/change plays out
- Stop (e)banning people on bias and learn the map (by playing not sitting spec) so u know what good and bad plays are.
- I hope the slap was coincidence and not targetted, but next time pay attention where someone is positioned

 

[Hassan]

i noticed that youre always saying that things are easy but why do i see you dying a lot of times speacially in ff maps.

i mean youre dying because you couldnt dodge the laser . you should be truthful to yourself . all we got is a lot of text that you wrote. we have no evidence for your arguments because you didnt bring any.

i mean i got proofs i have a lot of solo screenshoots where you died because you couldnt dodge the lasers.

 

[William! :D]

Hi Fierce. While you talk a lot about the bias you experience from admins, I think in it you sometimes twist things and miss your own bias. Before I go on, I just want to say that admins don't punish people "to make an attempt to look like the good guy". Do keep made-up statements like that out of here.

Anyway to addres your points:

Point 1)

This map is not made for a boss that dies in 2 lasers and me and other westerfags asked for an increase in hp many times yet get clearly ignored because Neon doesn't like the map and wants v8 instead

Saying it's ignored because of a reason like that is just wrong and immature and you know this. I think this is an example of a bias from your side. Howevery, regarding your point. I think it's rather selfish. A lot of westerfags may indeed be bored by it but why should we abide to your request simply because of that? I don't think you realise greater the amount of people who die to the lasers is, compared to the people who find it "too easy". We're not going to buff every element in every map simply because a minority of the players thinks it is too easy. It's just rather sad how you people are so selfish that you troll on the map to make it more difficult.

Because just look at your trolls. You think it's boring when 20+ people win so you "spice" it up by trolling with for instance earth. And this is supposed to make it "more difficult". Well look at the trolls. Whenever you troll, all those people affected by it get NO CHANCE for the lasers. They are stuck in the earth or pushed off. And then you cheer when you win with 3 people because of the earth. It's just sad as fuck. You're acting as if people will stop trolling if we buff the boss. People always troll. Always. They are selfish. They don't care about the people who get no chance to win because they are stuck in some wall item.

TL;DR - You are biased as fuck as well as selfish as fuck

Point 2)

No admin says anything? Hello you are a team one guy can make a mistake but how hard is it to correct

Incorrect. I said something...
Here, once again, you speak of ignorance. You assume nobody said something simply because we didn't remove the eban like you wanted, and hence we're incompetent admins according to you. I saw the earth and well. I was sceptical about it. It looked like a troll but also a strategic one. So I asked Neon to reduce it to 1 day, he chose a week. Directly after I went to record the demo of it:

Now, I'd say it's pretty debatable. From my point of view, he should be ebanned for this. Wind was still active and there was no chance for zombies to reach you. 3 people got earthed and had no chance to go to the lasers, and some died probably from lack of visibility. I think think 1 week is too much, however. But there was no need at all to use earth there. It's ONLY debatable because I don't know if this is a troll or a very bad usage of the item.

Point 3)
Here is the video of what happened:

4 people died, not 15.
If you play it very slowly, the first one died exactly JUST before the wind item was activated. From countless of scenarios like that, it often follows a chain reaction of more people dying. Zend acted fast and tried to save the scenario. It's difficult to predict the outcome had he not used wind but it wasn't a troll by any means and instead most likely saved the hold. Hence, comparing this with the arguable earth troll by Oru is not compareable. This is not a bias from us. It's a bias from you.

TL;DR - You are biased again. And don't compare trolls with non trolls.

 

[Hassan]

its official fierce got destroyed by william. william i m proud of you. you showed everyone that youre smarter than fierce g.

 

[FierceG]

Nice u took your time to answer this so serious William. I respect you but I think you misunderstand my points here. You are putting a lot of words in my mouth not chill...

Saying it's ignored because of a reason like that is just wrong and immature and you know this. I think this is an example of a bias from your side. Howevery, regarding your point. I think it's rather selfish. A lot of westerfags may indeed be bored by it but why should we abide to your request simply because of that? I don't think you realise greater the amount of people who die to the lasers is, compared to the people who find it "too easy". We're not going to buff every element in every map simply because a minority of the players thinks it is too easy. It's just rather sad how you people are so selfish that you troll on the map to make it more difficult.

Map is balanced for years -> Mapper quits game -> Tech make a lot of plugins -> Maps are harder/easier now, but wester v7 is a special case that honestly as I tried to explain got hit way too hard -> Just change some numbers and the map feels like the old experience again

How am I toxic here?

Also pinpoint me exactly on the server that were there that wouldn't prefer a higher hp chaos boss?

Because just look at your trolls. You think it's boring when 20+ people win so you "spice" it up by trolling with for instance earth. And this is supposed to make it "more difficult". Well look at the trolls. Whenever you troll, all those people affected by it get NO CHANCE for the lasers. They are stuck in the earth or pushed off. And then you cheer when you win with 3 people because of the earth. It's just sad as fuck. You're acting as if people will stop trolling if we buff the boss. People always troll. Always. They are selfish. They don't care about the people who get no chance to win because they are stuck in some wall item.

Don't act like a saint man... For the amount of hours I played zombie escape I am a pretty legit player. I legit troll rarely so I find this a pretty weak attack. Also why don't I see trollers on wanderers v5 or mako v6? These maps are really hard and people can't afford to yek etc. Having too many unnecessary items and a too easy map causes trolling.

Incorrect. I said something...
Here, once again, you speak of ignorance. You assume nobody said something simply because we didn't remove the eban like you wanted, and hence we're incompetent admins according to you. I saw the earth and well. I was sceptical about it. It looked like a troll but also a strategic one. So I asked Neon to reduce it to 1 day, he chose a week. Directly after I went to record the demo of it:

Ok my bad

Now, I'd say it's pretty debatable. From my point of view, he should be ebanned for this. Wind was still active and there was no chance for zombies to reach you. 3 people got earthed and had no chance to go to the lasers, and some died probably from lack of visibility. I think think 1 week is too much, however. But there was no need at all to use earth there. It's ONLY debatable because I don't know if this is a troll or a very bad usage of the item.

Wait so they design an earth that doesn't put players stuck. Guy sees chaos die, runs asap to ending, does a quick 180 earth so he can prepare for lasers. Plugin apparently breaks (wouldn't be the first time a plugin doesn't work here) and some people die, which isn't even his fault. He just played this really smart. And u salute him with 1 month eban (now 1 week)?

If you play it very slowly, the first one died exactly JUST before the wind item was activated. From countless of scenarios like that, it often follows a chain reaction of more people dying. Zend acted fast and tried to save the scenario. It's difficult to predict the outcome had he not used wind but it wasn't a troll by any means and instead most likely saved the hold. Hence, comparing this with the arguable earth troll by Oru is not compareable. This is not a bias from us. It's a bias from you.

Maybe this looks like a good move on the demo. I will just say it like this I am shooting the zombie with p90 and suddenly see wind pushing the zombies into the ct. How did he even play that good. One way or another he was gonna push zombies into cts or use wind unneeded. I understand u can't really ban people for being on the wrong position at the wrong time, but also u can't call one thing a saving play and the other teamkill if both plays are teamkill.

Also funny that the 2 people liking your post are exactly people that lack map knowledge and would mess up with (e)bans as these.

 

[Hassan]

uhhh fierce is back and has some good arguments. william has to respond otherwise he will lose this argument.

 

[u egg]

Funny that the only argument left you have on your thread is attacking a couple admins that have nothing to do with the current situation.

So considering your rant/whining/whatever the fuck you're trying to accomplish here is both biased and insulting you just made a point in proving once again how much of an egocentrical ass you are. And telling the team they're shit at being admins is not going to help you in any way. The only one who is being shitty here, is you.

Then you wonder why we're not cool with you.

PS : the reason I liked his post is because he told you how biased you are, and fuck I'm glad someone finally told you some cold harsh truth, not because he's defending an admin decision.

 

[William! :D]

uhhh fierce is back and has some good arguments. william has to respond otherwise he will lose this argument.

Uh uh... ...fierce...uhm.. shit

 

[Neon]

Wait so they design an earth that doesn't put players stuck.

You still get stuck for 1 frame, so your momentum stops.

Guy sees chaos die, runs asap to ending, does a quick 180 earth

While there are still humans behind him and zombies are miles way.
Hero!

 

[Hassan]

Funny that the only argument left you have on your thread is attacking a couple admins that have nothing to do with the current situation.

So considering your rant/whining/whatever the fuck you're trying to accomplish here is both biased and insulting you just made a point in proving once again how much of an egocentrical ass you are. And telling the team they're shit at being admins is not going to help you in any way. The only one who is being shitty here, is you.

Then you wonder why we're not cool with you.

PS : the reason I liked his post is because he told you how biased you are, and fuck I'm glad someone finally told you some cold harsh truth, not because he's defending an admin decision.

its normal to be egocentrical its a part of human nature you cant blame someone for that. you also dont blame the lion for killing the bufallo because its part of his nature.

 

[FierceG]

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Should I even respond to this? You legit post a paragraph where u rant me and add nothing of value.

its normal to be egocentrical its a part of human nature you cant blame someone for that. you also dont blame the lion for killing the bufallo because its part of his nature.

Ahhh okay. This was something I only saw on the mako earth. Legit haven't seen it ever happen on westersand and the plugin is out for a while. We could assume neither did he. Like honestly if this guy wanted to troll don't u think he would have chosen something better?

 

[-Hudda]

*grabs more popcorn*

 

[Malala]

0 ping will naturally make things easier, maps were never made with it intended, it doesn't just make lasers easier it also makes moving bosses (like Westersand) easier to hit, v7 could probably be buffed, the boss isn't very strong either, could also disable zammo on that map instead seeing more people are surviving lasers

 

[William! :D]

0 ping will naturally make things easier, maps were never made with it intended, it doesn't just make lasers easier it also makes moving bosses (like Westersand) easier to hit, v7 could probably be buffed, the boss isn't very strong either, could also disable zammo on that map instead seeing more people are surviving lasers

This is honestly the stupidest argument about 0 ping so far. By even presenting this argument, you are putting FierceG and other anti 0-ping people in shame. You have to go back and think about what you have said and apologise to Fierce for intruding to his thread with this bullshit.

 

[Klixus]

Also not a fan of 0-ping (but that's because i'm shit and unable to adapt), but it wouldnt hurt to increase HP on godmode at least, i agree v7 should be comparable to v8 in difficulty at least on the hardest stage. Yes/no?

PS: The Calculating God i'm friendly, don't attack me.

Edit: Nice autocorrect @tech

 

[Glacius Verglas]

Maps are not going to be made artificially harder for the 1% who enjoy them solely for solo wins / only play certain maps and only those maps because they don’t actually enjoy zombie escape, but instead choose to mapfag the same maps forever.
/thread

 

[Klixus]

 

[xen]

As neon said, earth would still get players stuck for 1 frame, which while not much, ends up killing any momentum they had. This will be fixed.

0 ping will naturally make things easier, maps were never made with it intended

You do realize there are players with really low pings right? When it comes to lasers, anything under 50ms is almost indistinguishable from 0 to me. It's an advantage only a few enjoyed, and the plugin grants said advantage to everyone else. I would actually think maps were designed to be reasonable at low pings and just doable at high pings. Then it's a matter of how good the players are.

 

[Malala]

You do realize there are players with really low pings right?

But they never have been the entirety of the server.

I would actually think maps were designed to be reasonable at low pings and just doable at high pings.

So they were designed with high ping players in mind yes?

 

[xen]

But they never have been the entirety of the server.

Yes, but often they comprise a majority of the population.

So they were designed with high ping players in mind yes?

They were designed with whoever was testing the map at the time in mind so yes, because they have to. If a map isn't doable by high ping players then it becomes very hard for low ping players, and no sane mapper wants that.

The point is that it was always "easier" for just low ping players and now that applies to the rest, which is only fair.
Anyway this isn't the topic of this thread so if you have anything else to say do it in the 0 ping thread.