IlovemakoandwestersanD guy, who are you exactly to say if w/e is bad or good, an example ? Yeah maybe an example of toxicity, cringe, and apparently pedophilia if we see what you post sometimes on forum. (or maybe you're just a troll, hello ? Kapp ?) About this topic, If i had to say something... That's just my opinion (or fact), but i'd say you have 2 categories of players in ZE : mechanical players and not mechanical. By mechanics I'm implying mobility gestion, movements in general such of course as bhopping and strafing. By "not mechanical" i'd say people who struggles more or less with what i've just said + everything like lasers ect (which is also mobility). Not mechanical ppl would refer as "normie" as you guy called them previously. Here's my point : fag maps (FF, paranoid...) are less popular because they aren't in adequation with normies, who will struggle because of their lack of mechanics in general. At the contrary, normies will vote for more popular maps, shroomforrest and stuff like this. Why ? Because those maps doesn't require that much of skill, they are able to shine in those maps. And that's what it is all about and always has been. People will adore things which fits with their capacity. People likes what can bring them into projectors' light. I played ZE for like 3 years which isn't that much if you compare, but it's the case for like 90% players I played with. Take Sanjizz for example, he enjoys paranoid and mako, guess what ? excellent strafing and bhop skills. Take rocklee (no hate i'm just exposing my point) as another example, does he like mako and stuff ? i don't think so, but does he like shroom ? Oh boy. He still dreams about soloing v4_5 at the same moment i'm writing this. And also, does he bhop and strafe correctly ? No he doesn't. I just took those 2 as an example, but make the research by yourself with others players. I think it's clearly realistic. You will automaticaly like more smth you're good at. To bounce on the topic, what i want to say is there's way more non-mechanical than mechanical players. Which describes the problem here : the minority has to sit facing the majority, the ppl who dislike fagmaps.