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[Kaka]

A choice for future mako experiences since some people want mako aútism and some don't. Better to decide on things.

Why?
This is a vote to decide if mako aútism should stay or not. It's been 3 weeks and mako has been more controlled by admins and the question is if you guys wanna keep it like this or should we revert it to how it's been in the past. The purpose is just to set some things in stone and get a better understanding what mako players want with mako.

A possible solution?
I got a good middle ground option from Alcolo. Pretty much when the map is beaten the mako aútism can continue but how should it be handled and on what modes would it be more okay? Probably won't be decided yet but if you have an opinion on the matter please state which modes or if we should avoid a middle ground to being with.

Note:
The vote will be open for 10 days.
If you wanna discuss the topic please keep it to mako aútism and not general aútism or what happens on other maps.
Please don't mind the ú, it's just to avoid the word filters

Vote only if you play when mako is on

 

[tom13king]

Most peoples’ au-tism is terrible and annoying, I’d rather not have people spamming dreadful EDM songs and shouting like mongs the entire map.

 

[Blake]

Whenever i play mako (and that may happen less compared to some of you) i prefer to have a normal session without, like tom said, noises in the background but, once a map is beaten, i've always been ok with derping around or having some Lifeblood of Zombie Escape for the time left (of course without letting things get out of control), as a way to relax and have a little fun after tryharding. After what stage it should happen, that i don't know, and i'll let someone else decide if we go with the middle ground, but i think it would be beneficial for everyone.

 

[Klixus]

I voted against. But if you go for a middle ground I would say let normal and extreme stages run without Lifeblood of Zombie Escape, and let people roam freely on the "bonus" stages like, ex3, race, zm.

 

[Sinagrida]

!unmute sinagrida

 

[Hassan]

Mako is a fag map they play it for a ex 2 solo its competition orientated. most of the mako fags are death so nobody really cares about mako anymore. we had great times back in the day with that map. some nerds ruined the map already with special modes 100 points. i voted for no i mean at least you should give that map some respect but i dont care about it.

 

[Sinagrida]

Why votes arent visible tho?

 

[Klixus]

Why votes arent visible tho?

Because voters should not be effected by other votes. Im sure @Kaka will reveal the end result when the poll is over.

 

[FierceG]

I didn't respond because I assumed people would make the right call. Seems like it's needed anyway... I don't get this vote anyway. A vote to Lifeblood of Zombie Escape on map x? So if I make a poll to allow spam, troll, etc. on shroomforest and the majority votes yes this will become the norm? Why does Mako need a different treatment, when its obviously designed as a serious map? Of course Hannibal is known for atleast adding some possibilites to troll on his maps (examples: minas cading teammates, paranoid in general, mako materias, being quite loosely with ct teleports in general) but these are obviously map specific and for gameplay use, if hannibal wanted spam on Mako it would have been implemented. I hope you guys understand why I made the previous Mako thread in the first place. Mako was full of extreme mic spam, endless lennies in chat and map editing. You can talk easy that !sm'ing everyone stops this, but a lot of people don't do this. Therefore you create an atmosphere where ppl just all doorhug and not give a fuck. What's funny about replaying Hard mode 5 times because ppl don't focus at all?
The problem I have is that you want to make Mako either full of spam or clean. Nobody likes this for real. The fun I have of this spam (and I think this counts for everyone) is that you can't predict when this is going to happen. Today you can play a serious session on predator and tomorrow the mic blows up. What I wanted to gain from the previous thread was that Mako would be just like any other map. We would play Mako serious as any other map as it deserves, but sometimes there could be spam. Mako spam should be exception rather than the norm.

 

[jenz]

well sorry for the late response, got pretty busy with alot of things.

The vote is quite split with currently 50% for both. Mako has for many years been the Lifeblood of Zombie Escape map already, it happens naturally because the maps design + the fact that everybody already should know it for over 5 years by now makes it extremely redundant and easy to win. Why should we permanently stop the Lifeblood of Zombie Escape which happened for years on GFL before unloze even was created.

People dont go the same boink insane on toaster or isla nublar for that matter. Lifeblood of Zombie Escape does not interfere tryharding and never was intended to.

We dont need any tryharding for mako. I dont want to lose the Lifeblood of Zombie Escape permanently on mako and as it stands a total of 50% agrees on that.

So we should switch a bit from time to time. The thing you just dont get is that almost all mako sessions are autistic by nature, because most people as said played this to death already.
We had the same Fights over mako for years on plaguefest, steam gamers, supreme elite, i3d, unloze, bor3d, CSI, .Bad, DTK and alot of other servers.

Now however its not about map fags on mako, its just about the Lifeblood of Zombie Escape on said mako. Its kinda funny how for years regulars on all ze servers around the world complained about mako fags and just wanted to get rid of mako and now unloze has this limbo state were we ruin any seriousness in mako for exactly that reason.

 

[Hassan]

well sorry for the late response, got pretty busy with alot of things.

The vote is quite split with currently 50% for both. Mako has for many years been the lifeblood of zombie escape map already, it happens naturally because the maps design + the fact that everybody already should know it for over 5 years by now makes it extremely redundant and easy to win. Why should we permanently stop the lifeblood of zombie escape which happened for years on GFL before unloze even was created.

People dont go the same boink insane on toaster or isla nublar for that matter. lifeblood of zombie escape does not interfere tryharding and never was intended to.

We dont need any tryharding for mako. I dont want to lose the lifeblood of zombie escape permanently on mako and as it stands a total of 50% agrees on that.

So we should switch a bit from time to time. The thing you just dont get is that almost all mako sessions are autistic by nature, because most people as said played this to death already.
We had the same Fights over mako for years on plaguefest, steam gamers, supreme elite, i3d, unloze, bor3d, CSI, .Bad, DTK and alot of other servers.

Now however its not about map fags on mako, its just about the lifeblood of zombie escape on said mako. Its kinda funny how for years regulars on all ze servers around the world complained about mako fags and just wanted to get rid of mako and now unloze has this limbo state were we ruin any seriousness in mako for exactly that reason.

well you can treat mako like that because the fucking game is death. all the mako fags are death otherwise they would invade unloze each time mako gets played. They would play ex 2 and spamm until the admin changes to ex 2 again and extends the map. all the non fags would leave the server.

after mako you would have a death server because all the fags would leave your server. but that doesnt happen anymore because all the mako fags are death. the hate was always strong against mako but the encouragement for mako was stronger.

 

[jenz]

well, i would say in the end the Lifeblood of Zombie Escape won over the mako fags

 

[Hassan]

nah the game is just death. i remember back in the day you removed mako from your server because you were scared. because all the mako fags would join when mako gets played spam for ex 2m extending, non fags leave the server and after that process your sever would be death.

 

[Tendub_]

Vote only if you play when mako is on

This is an important part of the mako debate that is usually overlooked. We have about 30 votes right now and mako usually sees twice as many (a somewhat conservative estimate tbh) unique players during the map. Of the 30 votes I can't see how many are in the anti-mako crowd anyway. One could perhaps concede that these people should not be disqualified entirely ((((((This runs into the problem of "if you don't like it just leave the server 4head" vs. "i want to play ze and this is pretty much the only place I can play so i should be allowed to rtv and encourage autisimo, etc". I think both sides have valid arguments, but it is fair to say that with the addition of mako having a long cooldown the scales are already in favor of the anti-mako crowd and what do the mako players have to counter balance that? Nothing really. Controlling the autisimo sometimes could restore some of that balance.))))) but surely they should not been seen as equal to a mako players vote.


I do have a problem with the "makofag = death" argument. Many people who love mako are the same people who keep the server populated throughout the day and they deserve some respect for that. It just isn't feasible for some people to play video games for more than a few hours at a time and this should be an accepted fact. Mako is a long map, once things have run their course people will naturally want to take a break, make some food, do some real life obligations, etc. Equating mako (or any specific map) with server death is something you might feel is true because of how the population drops afterwards, but the server dies on its own just fine every single day the only difference is you aren't actually populating the server to realize this. Most people who seriously believe this meme are the same people I mysteriously only see during 64/64 times so I have a hard time accepting this.


The argument that mako has been played for so many years so we should accept some degree of autisimo is fair. The 10 millionth round of mako is not going to have the same mentality as the 10 hundredth round and that is a truth any mako conversation needs to take into account. Back then it was almost unheard of to do silly things with materias, but as the rounds become routine people will seek to break that routine and explore new possibilities. BUT this is not as related to the autisimo argument imo, because autisimo is mic/chat spam and admin abuse. I have no problem with the round being a fail because of materia shenanigans, this adds a new layer of complexity and challenges to overcome and frankly I welcome it with open arms. I've beaten mako a thousand ways, but I always catch myself smiling when we encounter a unique permutation of events and something new happens. I do not catch myself smiling when a rogue sephiroth appears and lasers down unsuspecting players on bahamut (okay i admit i laugh at them, how do they not realize this by now??) or when I have to type !sm name 10 times in the middle of a round because mic spam. I like the concept of admins not muting people and letting players decide with the !sm feature, and under normal conditions it works well enough, but this system does not do well under extreme conditions of mic spam! Having a player type !sm for 2 minutes is tedious and annoying. I would like to see admins given some room to mute spammers if we agree to find a middle ground here.


Overall I guess I just want to say that I think there is a solution that both sides can be happy with. makofags enjoy mako-related autisimo and lifeblood fags enjoy full-scale terminal autisimo, so I'm sure we can work something out. It will require consistent admin work and for the admins to be on the same page, but if I didn't think you guys could do it I wouldn't have typed all this shit out. Good luck and thanks if you read this.

 

[Malala]

DTK and alot of other servers.

DTK? Fucking DTK? DTK never had this shit because the owner is a fun hating Indian who won't even let you say fag on an Australian server.

Most people who seriously believe this meme are the same people I mysteriously only see during 64/64 times so I have a hard time accepting this.

First of all it's not just a meme, tryhard maps can definitely kill the server if played at the wrong time.
And there are definitely people who join just for Mako and then leave once it's done, We've all seen it happen.

 

[Hassan]

sure i was there i was a regular pf player when for example plaguefest died end of summer 2014 fags were a big part for the reason why pf died. all the mako fags came when mako was played in pf from everywhere regular pf players were extremly annoyed by all the toxic parasitic fags and left the server.The fags insulted the server, players and their admins for their playstyle taste for maps, spammed for again ex 2 and for another extend.

They waited in spec for ex 2 they let the players do the dirty work for their ex 2. After mako they voted for westersand v7 but they all left the server. The server was always death after mako and nobody was there for westersand. The fags would came back when it was epic mode to play godmode. But that happen rarely because nobody was there to play it to godmode.

After that it took a lot of time for the server to recover. That was back in the day. That would happen to your server when you had mako ,westersand in your rotation. There were a lot of fags but today its a different story the most fags are death they dont play the game anymore. so there is no risk anymore for any server to have mako, westersand in your rotation.

 

[FierceG]

a lot of shit

It's funny how you and many others still have no understanding why servers die

 

[Hassan]

It's funny how you and many others still have no understanding why servers die

Dude i know you love mako youre a makofag. Mako is one big reason why youre still playing this game i know that. But its just a fact that fags were a big reason why for example pf died. You werent there you werent active as a player end of summer 2014 when pf died. But i was there i can evaluate it.

I was the biggest fag i exactly know which effect we had on all the different servers. We switched from server to server just for our ff maps we didnt care about the servers. We only cared about our ff maps we didnt have any respect for players,servers,admins,. We were toxic and parasitic its just logical which effect our behaviour had when you look at the process that happen each time.

I described that process already and its easily to understand that that process is very unhealthy for any server. specialy when you have a game that is slowly dying because its old. a server stays alive because of a good community thats what keeps a server alive. people want to be part of a harmonic atmosphere where they create relationships communicate with each other.

Here is the process again > the mako fags came when mako was played in pf from everywhere regular pf players were extremly annoyed because of all the toxic parasitic fags and left the server. They werent a part of the community they were outsiders that just joined for a map. The fags insulted the server, players and their admins for their playstyle taste for maps, spammed for again ex 2 and for another extend.

They waited in spec for ex 2 they let the players do the dirty work for their ex 2. After mako they voted for westersand v7 but they all left the server. The server was always death after mako and nobody was there for westersand. The fags would came back when it was epic mode to play godmode. But that happen rarely because nobody was there to play it to godmode.

After that it took a lot of time for the server to recover.

 

[FierceG]

blabla

First of all I play ze since 2010 and my break you are talking about was summer 2013-begin summer 2014 when I returned so I was there.

Anyway since I actually want to make a new thread with a very detailed advice for Unloze server I am going to tl;dr this.

Why servers die:
- Enjoyability of server settings depends on map/player amount. Big reason why pF died was because the settings were really good on hard map+full server, but awful when low pop/map was easy. Unloze solved making easy maps for skilled players enjoyable by: Adding points for being first, better race settings, etc.
- Admins had zero sense of ZE gameplay. What made this gamemode so attractive for a lot of us was that it was basically like walking into a bar where you know atleast half the people. You just talk with your buddies and say a lot of shit you maybe shouldn't say and do what you shouldn't do. But that's what you do with your buddies. You are making racist jokes/trolling because they know you better than that, no need to perm your regulars like pf.
- Loyalty. The banning of most regulars was the main reason for this but also that there was no reward on pf for being active (You had to pay for admin, vip. Being active didn't give you anything). People without loyalty will play on your server will play as long as things go well, but when shit hits the fan people can't wait to leave your dead server behind. Honestly if I learned anything from ze is that managers should respect veterans more, because wherever these players are the normies will follow.

There are way more reasons but your argument is the biggest lie of this gamemode. Plaguefest was a dead server and the only reason it could fill in those times was because people joined just to play Mako and leave the server after. Without Mako server would be dead 24/7. People wonder why a server suddenly loses people in a map change. Maybe understand for once that some maps are just really fucking bad and don't want to waste time of their lifes on it? Doesn't matter if the previous map was Mako or Moria.

 

[Hassan]

First of all I play ze since 2010 and my break you are talking about was summer 2013-begin summer 2014 when I returned so I was there.

hahaha nice try

Thank god that i have a good memory we already had a conversation about that topic in the past and the weird thing is that you told me that you werent there when pf died.

Fierce its already clear that mako fags or ff fags are bad for any server. you should read my last post again without your i love mako glasses. i do understand that you love your mako and you want to defend it but its not a sign of maturity to deny a clear case.