0 ping laser compensation

Lag compensation on lasers?

  • Keep lag compensated lasers

    Votes: 40 47.6%

  • Remove lag compensation from lasers

    Votes: 44 52.4%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
jenz

jenz

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Hello, sorry for not writing a lot here lately.

There has been debating about 0 ping for ages and people in other communities noticed it too. Most of them also got to experience it first hand now in csgo. Anyways, basically its crystal clear that the 0 ping complaints wont stop because the issues caused by 0 ping wont stop.

Its also clear that some people boycut unloze because they are unsatiesfied with 0 ping. Fact is they are not enemies but our players and we dont wish the server to die out of stubbornness.

Now, to make sure lasers wont be lag compensated anymore it means that all triggers would need to be not lag compensated anymore. You cant rely on that all mappers make lasers as a trigger_hurt and hence if we need to make sure lasers are not lag compensated in the future lag compensation has to be disabled from all triggers.

I dont believe there is much point in a neutral option here tbh. If you dont want to vote just refrain.

The last vote about 0 ping was in december but that vote was about removing the entirety of 0 ping. This vote is only about the part that compensates lasers. We hope that should satiesfy people, if not are we still open for more removal of 0 ping if most demmand so.
 
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Just to clarify on what this vote exactly means:

LagCompensation normally affects several different trigger types (which includes lasers) and physboxes (mainly for boss hitboxes).

Now physboxes are completely fine, as we keep hearing that many bosses are somewhat easier, which means the plugin works exactly as intended in that regard. Therefore, there is no need to remove the plugin entirely. This vote concerns only a portion of the plugin: the laser lag compensation.

Removing lag compensation for lasers means completely disabling the plugin for triggers, unlike the !lagcomp/!0ping command. We decided to make it affect all triggers because some maps might use different trigger types, such as trigger_multiple on westersand's guardian, some of the pushing lasers on chroma, or the teleporting lasers on rush_b. This is to ensure predictable behavior across all maps.
 
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For those who would like to test before voting we've removed 0 ping from the FF/training server.

151.80.230.149:28015

Go practice chaos/guardian/sephi whatever lasers without 0 ping and see how it feels
 
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well, this thread is not a discussion one, if you wanna talk about 0 ping you can go to the thread "0 ping topic" and say whatever you want there, pls abide to the piont of this thread
 
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Luke said:
If u keep 0 Ping for lasers than the server will die as u see now, the server doesnt fill for more than 2 hrs or maybe 3 anymore, pls vote against it, to make sure that the server wont die, its only my mind, bcs i rlly like to play here and dont want that its gonna die.
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While I see some points against lagcomp, this argument is just pulled out of thin air.
Everytime we play a laser map the server gets to 64 players pretty much instantly.
Why would the server be full on maps where 0 ping is actively influencing the gameplay and empty on maps where 0 ping doesn't even do anything at all?
 
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Neon said:
While I see some points against lagcomp, this argument is just pulled out of thin air.
Everytime we play a laser map the server gets to 64 players pretty much instantly.
Why would the server be full on maps where 0 ping is actively influencing the gameplay and empty on maps where 0 ping doesn't even do anything at all?
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for laser maps yeah, but not for a rlly long time. i dont say anything anymore bcs u guys know it better, its seems like it.
 
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Neon said:
While I see some points against lagcomp, this argument is just pulled out of thin air.
Everytime we play a laser map the server gets to 64 players pretty much instantly.
Why would the server be full on maps where 0 ping is actively influencing the gameplay and empty on maps where 0 ping doesn't even do anything at all?
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maybe bcuz there are only 2-3 servers playable at css, so laser fags have no choice ?
 
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I have given it all some thought to be as objective as possible, but my opinion hasn’t changed so here we go.

The problem with this entire plugin is that a lot of people became disgusted with this plugin, not only it’s function but how entire Unloze operates. A lot of people’s eyes has been opened and saw how little you gave about the population on individual level. You can hurt your children only so much till they run away.

Anyway the entire idea is that this plugin was broken since the very first second (maybe it’s fixed since the last patch 2 weeks ago, who the fuck even knows anymore, we hear every day from tech that this time it’s really fixed and then u still die to bullshit), but you guys didn’t care, as long as it wasn’t too broken old players would stick and new Asian players would join Unloze, as if they would ever care about this server. You tried to trade us in for people on the other side of the globe and expect them to be loyal. Servers like ZED instantly removed it once their population started to complain, because they care more about their own players than anyone.

Imagine suddenly dying over and over on your favorite maps where u used to be beast at? Hear from everyone from you are bad and you shouldn’t cry about the plugin? What was even wrong with lasers to begin with. I have solo’d mako on Asian/Ocean servers back in the day, maybe just accept some maps like deadcore just aren’t meant to be played with 300 ping? How many other maps truly need this much fast reaction time? If it ain’t broken don’t fix it. This shit is truly a plugin that gets tech dick hard but skilled ze players dislike, and those u need to win fucking maps.

And how is this shit all even decided, probably why my boycot started at least. I get admins get to decide some stuff about rules, events, guidelines, whatever. But not core gameplay. This impacts literally everyone on the server and for too many times normal people without power get to decide jack shit. Imagine your average admin here deciding how my Final Fantasy gets played, oh wait that literally happened here for 5 months. Are you going to explain Champions league players how to play football next week?

To me all that you could have done was post an announcement apologizing to us how you saw your mistake in how you treated us as sheep that would stay loyal to your server till the very end, thinking we would accept anything you throw at us. It would have been way better than this fake poll implying we as community have so much power in this server, because we didn’t have any for the 5 months this shit was on the server. We all know we wouldn’t get to decide shit if this server population didn’t get bombed. The plugin will be removed anyway, other than that great server. In the end it’s your server Jenz do with it what you want.
 
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Idea of 0 ping plugin is great, because Asian players would be able to play "laser maps" like average EU player on EU servers. However it just doesnt work properly, every player said that. Maybe if this plugin would work at least good, with less issues then I could accept that, maybe others community players too. But it just doesnt work. I hope you guys make good decision about the plugin in near future. Peace.
 
Since jenz told us that 0Ping will be removed, I am sad to tell you that the only tech that could do that is Neon.
Unfortunately he contracted the same day the coronavirus.
0Ping will be here forever
 
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