Announcement Accidental Rank Reset

Neon Jul 1, 2018

  1. Neon

    Neon Pendulum SQ Senior Developer

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    Hello there!

    The title may be a bit confusing to some people, so I will try to make some explanations.

    To the CS:S ZE-Players:
    The rank reset happened like planned. The Top 25 players have been rewarded accordingly and you can now start grinding points for the next 3 months until the next reset :)

    To the Players from our other servers:
    While resetting the CS:S-ZE Players I encountered a corruption in our database. Beforehand I had checked if our daily backups were running, which they did. So I was not really worried about that error and continued mindlessly, because I knew we had backups to restore in case something would go wrong. Since it was already late at night and I already had some beers, I wanted to get shit done ASAP and the go to bed. Probably a very unlucky combination of those circumstances and the database corruption, lead to the wipe of the stats on every server we have.
    Until this point everything could have been recovered easily due to our daily backups. But sometimes, when some things are going wrong, everything is going wrong.
    Our automatic backups were incomplete because of the corrupted databse. So there is no way to recover some essential data.
    We do not know, how long those backups were already failing, but I would assume it has been a lot of months.
    Fortunately we are aware of the issues now and can fix them.
    Unfortunately tho, all the hlstats data from the servers is gone forever.
    I am really sorry for all the players that spent hours to grind the ladder (especially on csgo). I understand that some of you are really frustrated right now. Technical erros behind the scenes are quite common, this time it was just really unlucky that the damage caused by it is unrecoverable.
    We will reorganize our backups, to prevent those things from happening in the future.
    Again, I am really sorry.

    Neon

    P.S.: I also would have preferred lying in the sun on my balcony instead of trying to get things back on track for the past 6 hours :D
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2018
  2. Nanami

    Nanami Renowned User

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    ohhh c'mon...fuck this season shit
     
  3. Flopper

    Flopper MiaSanMia Retired Admin

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    drunk neon is a evil man :)
     
  4. Gee Ef Ell Mustard Race

    Gee Ef Ell Mustard Race Admin Admin

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    WTF NEON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
     
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  5. Unloze | Florian

    Unloze | Florian マダマダ Retired Admin

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    Je pense qu'un petit événement ou quelque chose comme ça pourrait être une excuse, non? :wlenny: Il est vrai que je suis aussi parce que j'ai passé beaucoup de temps :feelbadman: arrêtez l'alcool et buvez de l'eau! :lul:
     
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    Flopper MiaSanMia Retired Admin

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    no France pls since some of us is not from that place #moreEnglish
     
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    Pan32 Bullshit Buster Senior Developer

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  8. Glacius

    Glacius The Frosty One Senior Developer

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    This is basically a recurring occurrence that shit gets fucked here on Unloze.
    Any complaints can still be sent to [email protected] .
     
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  9. Unloze | Florian

    Unloze | Florian マダマダ Retired Admin

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    xd wtf ? This AutoTranslate srry xd
     
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  10. Unloze | Florian

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    Reaper baby <3
     
  11. Nanami

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    #Mercy4Ever
    #Brigitte4Ever

    btw I'm Mercy main, If somebody need a doctor...
    ...the doctor is in.
     
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  12. Luke

    Luke Renowned User

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    Btw guys u did a great work on the rank system keep it up. I love it :))))))))

    But one thing I don't like is:
    when u die and the zombies are winning u getting 10 points so it's too ez too get points when u know what I mean, pls change that when u can, I mean the people who are zombies at the beginning they can get 10 points but not everyone, what do u think about that guys?
     
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  13. D()G@N

    D()[email protected] SoftServeMapsBestMaps Developer

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    Mother Zombies already get 10 points more (20 in total), while Normal Zombies "only" get 10. You need to consider, that the 10 points are given to everyone since everyone will be a Zombie when the round is over. That means it doesn't matter if everyone gets 0 or 10 points, the benefit stays equally the same.

    However we want to encourage Normal Zombies, who got infected later on, to play and tryhard. That's the reason why 10 points are granted instead of 0. It should be a motivation not letting Humans win and don't get any points as a Zombie. If we set the Points for Normal Zombies to 0, there would be no more difference between a Human or Zombie Win, which will make playing as Zombie more unattractive.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
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  14. William! :D

    William! :D Plumber in a world of perfect pipes Retired Admin VIP

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    We've had this system for a while and I haven't seen any extra motivation. There are still the same amount of specs/zombies as usual. I don't think it motivates anyone. I even exploit the system by not doing anything and then playing as zombie last second to get my 10 points. Luke is completely right on this. These 10 points are part of what devalues the ranking system imo. It's so much easier to earn ranks now that I don't feel any satisfaction from it, on the contrary I am less motivated now. I don't feel like i have to work for it, It's too easy.
     
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  15. D()G@N

    D()[email protected] SoftServeMapsBestMaps Developer

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    Yes but with you in Spec Zombies are less likely to win, even if maybe 1 of 50 rounds. So you don't really exploit the system, with tryharding you could get more points with kill streaks points and so on.

    And as I said the 10 points are given to everyone. It doesn't really matter if everyone has 1000 points more because of it, since it's everyone and those who play more also get more.
     
  16. Alcolo Oasis

    Alcolo Oasis Admin Admin

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    I understand what Luke says and I kinda agree with him. Last humans who got infected few seconds before the round is over will get points while they don't deserve them. Same for spectators who zspawn few seconds before all humans die, they will have their points. Maybe we can add a cooldown to get these points (let's say that you have to be a zombie for minimum 30 seconds to get these 10 points). Is it possible ?
     
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  17. William! :D

    William! :D Plumber in a world of perfect pipes Retired Admin VIP

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    Exactly. This is the very definition of devaluing something. Value comes from scarcity and the labor for earning what other's don't have. You're simply giving things to everyone, whether it's earned or not.

    I like Alcolo's suggestions. That way people who become infected last seconds don't get points. It's really good. Is it possible to do this?
     
  18. D()G@N

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    and what about humans who die very early, tryhard and have a big impact on the lose of humans. don't they deserve the points? And spectators? they simply dont like to play zombie and that's not my concern. they could play making sure humans are more likely to lose and get kill streak points. if they stay in spec they can't always !zspawn the last second cause of their absence humans will win more, especially if more than a few are doing this.

    this game mod is goddamn pvp and i will not cut zombies out. if some ppl hate playing zombie and abuse the system i dont give a damn fuck. the rank system is fair and those who play legit will get more points and rewarded for it. just getting the 10 points by exploiting the zombie points will not get you anywhere.
     
  19. William! :D

    William! :D Plumber in a world of perfect pipes Retired Admin VIP

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    Where exactly did he even say the contrary? Of course they deserve points.

    Your motive is right but I don't think you realize that it has not the effect you're desiring. You're not motivating/promoting/boosting zombies or anything. Rather, you're ruining the overall motivation for both parties.
     
  20. D()G@N

    D()[email protected] SoftServeMapsBestMaps Developer

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    I don't think so. If Zombies tryhard, they will get way more points. If someone is dumb enough to think the 10 points are good, it's his mistake. Kill Streaks Points are fucking overpowered and a good thing. Also being a Motherzombies even gets a bonus on all this. And don't forget the points you get for a kill itself and even might deduct the points of your victim.

    I didn't feel yet that ppl go more to spec or are demotivated. If you don't realize that it fucking is more attractive to play as a Zombie than before we added this rank, you are dumb and should be sent to gulag.

    PS: Kinda Off-Topic but fits in this situation: We even made Zombies stronger the past few months. It's god damn definitely more motivating to play as a Zombie.
     
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